98. Whitney Goodman, LMFT on Toxic Positivity, Invalidation, + What Happens When We Suppress Emotions

May 4

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Whitney Goodman, LMFT is the radically honest psychotherapist behind the hugely popular Instagram account @sitwithwhit, the author of Toxic Positivity, and the owner of The Collaborative Counseling Center, a private therapy practice in Miami, FL. She helps people who want to improve their relationships and emotional awareness. (bio via sitwithwhit.com) We discuss Whitney's clinical experience, how she started observing toxic positivity in her practice and community, what exactly toxic positivity is, how it shows up in ourselves and in our relationships, negative impacts of invalidation, situations you shouldn't be positive in, over validation, and the benefits of complaining.

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[00:00:00] Sadie: Welcome to she persisted. I'm your host Sadie Sutton. Every Friday, I post interviews about mental health, dialectical behavioral therapy and teenage life. These episodes break down my mental health journey, teach skills to help you cope with life and showcase testimonials from individuals, including teens, just like you, whether you've struggled yourself or just want to improve your mental fitness.

[00:00:20] This podcast is your inspiration to live a life you love and keep persisting.

[00:00:25] This week's DBT scale is validation in this interview, Whitney and I talk a lot about how invalidating toxic positivity could be and how it can really negatively impact both your mental health and relationships. I wanted to get super detailed on how you can be more validating.

[00:00:39] So in case validation is a new term. Tio validation is something that you can do both towards yourself or towards other people where you create space and appreciation for an emotion without necessarily agreeing with an action, a belief, a decision, or the intensity of the emotion.

[00:00:55] So there are six stops and they weren't in difficulty. So they are pay attention, reflect back, read minds, understand, acknowledge the ballot and show equality. We'll start with the easiest and go to the hardest. So first is paying attention. You were looking interested in the other person and sat up bored. So you're not multitasking. And if you're doing this for yourself, you're kind of sitting and giving yourself a moment to process what you're going through instead of just completely distracting and trying to move off.

[00:01:20] Second is reflect back, say back what you heard the other person say or do, to be sure you understood exactly what the person is saying.

[00:01:27] We're not using judgmental language or a negative tone of voice. Third is read minds and that's in quotations. We're being sensitive to, what's not being said by the other person. So that's facial expressions, body language. What's happening around you. What you know about the personal ready and you showing your understanding and both words and actions.

[00:01:46] You are checking to see if you are right in your assumptions, but you're letting it go. If you're not fourth is understand, look for how, what the other person is feeling, thinking, or doing. Make sense based on their past experiences, present situation and or their current state of mind or physical condition.

[00:02:03] This is really breaking down the cause of the action or emotion that has arisen. Fifth is acknowledged the valid look for all the other person's feelings thinking or actions are valid responses because they fit the current facts or are understandable because they're a logical response to the current facts. Again, even if you don't agree with it, where you're looking to understand their perspective and create space for that.

[00:02:26] And lastly is showing a quality. So be yourself, you're not trying to one up or one down the other person, and you're treating the other person as an equal and not as someone that's fragile or incompetent because of what they're feeling. So that is validation boiled down, you are creating space for yourself or someone else's emotional experience. You are creating an appreciation for that without necessarily agreeing. And it's an amazing tool that allows you to feel seen, heard, understood, and process your emotions rather than having them bubble up and get more overwhelming.

[00:02:57] So with that, let's get into the episode.

[00:03:00] Hello. Hello and welcome to she. Persisted. I'm so excited. You're here today. If you are new. Welcome. My name is Sadie. I am a freshman at the university of Pennsylvania studying psychology. I started She Persisted after I went through a year and a half of intensive treatment for severe depression and anxiety and just gain so much wisdom and insight and learn so many skills that I wanted to share with other teens, because I really did feel like so much of what I went through was preventable.

[00:03:25] If only the mental health education and resources had been there. So that's why I started the podcast. If you are a returning listener, welcome back. We have an amazing interview today with Whitney Goodman. She is the author of toxic positivity, and I left this interview just amazed by all the insights she shared. And there are so many tips here that you can implement and your relationships and your internal dialogue, all of those things.

[00:03:46] So I know you guys are going to love it before we dive in happy may it is mental health awareness month. I love may. It's a great month to be hosting a mental health podcast, and it's really fun to see a ton of different brands and creators and individuals. Being vulnerable with their stories and sharing more resources.

[00:04:05] So, yeah, it's just a month that makes my heart very happy. And to celebrate, we have two things going on. One. I am posting a ton of tech talks in reels every day to celebrate mental health awareness month. So tons of tips, clips from the podcast, mental health advice, you name it, those will be going up and so make sure to follow along at, at sheep resisted podcast on Instagram and the second thing I'm doing is a huge giveaway this month to celebrate a hundred reviews and mental health awareness month, we are at 95 right now. So five of you Gulliver review. So we can hit that and I can announce the giveaway, but it's just such an amazing collection of brands that I've partnered with.

[00:04:42] Think five minute journals, some amazing skincare companies.

[00:04:46] Sweatshirts, all brands that are really aligned with the podcast and promote mental health awareness and resources. So I'm so excited for that. I'll be announcing that on the podcast as well as Instagram and Tik TOK.

[00:04:57] And we'll announce a giveaway winner by the end of the month.

[00:05:00] But to give you a little bit more context, before we dive into this interview,

[00:05:03] whitney Goodman LMF T is the radically honest psychotherapist behind the hugely popular Instagram account at sit with which she's also the author of toxic positivity in the owner of the collaborative counseling center, a private therapy practice in Miami, Florida.

[00:05:17] She helped people who want to improve their relationships and emotional awareness and gives tons of great tips on this, in this interview so with that as always make sure to leave a review on apple podcast, share with a friend or family member.

[00:05:28] If you enjoy this interview and let's do.

[00:05:31] Thank you so much for joining me today on She Persisted. I'm so excited to have you on this. Oh, of

[00:05:36] Whitney: course.

[00:05:37] Sadie: Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. So I want to start by hearing about how you became a therapist, how you became aware of toxic positivity. And then I'm sure that'll say we are right into what exactly that is.

[00:05:49] Because it's not a term that people, I think totally understand you hear it thrown around, but I'd love to hear your explanation because I think you explain it so well.

[00:05:58] Whitney: Yeah. So I've been a therapist for a little over seven years now. I wish I had a better. Story of how I became one, but the truth is as I was graduating from college with degrees in sociology and gender studies, which you really can do nothing with.

[00:06:15] So I started to look for master's programs and I knew I always wanted to work with people in some capacity. And I found this therapy program and was like, oh, that sounds exactly like what I want to do. And I went straight from college and so it's really the only job. Like profession I've ever had. And I'm lucky that I love it.

[00:06:36] Yeah. Which has worked out well. Yeah.

[00:06:40] Sadie: So how did you start noticing in practice or talking to other clinicians that toxic positivity was something that was going on and on a really big.

[00:06:49] Whitney: Yeah. So I started my career working a lot with patients who had cancer. And I noticed that positivity was like always the prescription of choice.

[00:07:01] There was something I was doing. There was. Definite pressure that like, if you were going to get through this, you needed to be positive. And it always felt kind of weird to me. And so over time I started noticing a lot of my clients saying things like, I know it should be positive, but I know I shouldn't complain, but I know I need to be grateful.

[00:07:20] And I was also just seeing this all over Instagram, especially once I started my Instagram to market my product. So I was like, okay, there's something going on here? So I created this chart it was really just like toxic positivity in one column and validation in the other. And a lot of people were either saying like, oh my gosh, I've been looking for something to call this my whole life, or I've noticed this, but I've never thought about it.

[00:07:48] And then there were other people that were like, this is crazy. Positivity is nothing but good. And so from there, I really, really. Gosh, this is something that we need to be talking about. If people have such a polarizing reaction to the concept.

[00:08:02] Sadie: Yeah, no, it's really interesting. That second column are that second group of pupil.

[00:08:06] That's like positivity is only anything but good because they themselves are also in that toxic positivity kind of head space. And you're like, okay, thank you for explaining my plate. Yes, it's a great example here. So really breaking it down. What is toxic positive?

[00:08:23] Whitney: So toxic positivity is really this unrelenting pressure to be happy, positive, be seeking out happiness, no matter what the situation.

[00:08:33] And it's really something that we use against ourselves. Like in some of those examples that I just brought up, like I should be grateful. And it's also something that we use against each other when we use toxic positivity and telling people that they shouldn't feel a certain way or that they need to look on the bright side.

[00:08:51] Sadie: Yeah, no, I think that's very true. And it's something that is becoming very widespread. I know you talk a lot about how this became just even more overwhelming in the pandemic, because that was the narrative was stay positive. Let's get through it. And, and there, there are pros and cons to that, but I, I don't know what your perspective is being in practice, but I feel like I've never seen such an overwhelming.

[00:09:10] Urge everyone to be like, let's stay positive. Like before it felt like there was so much more of a mix of like, some people are like, well, this sucks, but I guess like maybe we'll get through it. And other people were like, no, we're going to stay positive. This is great. So it's, it's interesting to see first.

[00:09:26] Whitney: Yeah, I definitely saw that. And there was also this, like, you have to make positive use of your time. You need to achieve something. You need to like self care your way through this. Or like you had the celebrities singing in their houses, you know, telling us all to his file and get along. And it's like, yeah, There is a really crazy thing happening in the world right now.

[00:09:48] And we're just not going to talk about

[00:09:51] Sadie: yeah. What are some like red flags or phrases that people can catch on to that they can be aware that either they're using toxic positivity internally, or they're noticing it within their interactions.

[00:10:05] Whitney: So these phrases really depend on like, what's the timing, what's the audience and what's the topic that's being discussed.

[00:10:14] And some of those ones that tend to kind of go into that toxic positivity category are definitely like, everything happens for a reason. Time heals, all wounds. Just be grateful, you know, it's this, or at least it's not X. And when you use these statements, when someone's struggling is when they kind of can turn into toxic positivity.

[00:10:34] Sadie: Yeah. Yeah. And I, those things are very, very common. Like when you go to someone and. There's not really, like if you don't know they're going to respond well, a lot of the times those are the responses that you get and it can be really invalidating and it can be really difficult to, to feel like you're getting your needs met and then move through that in an effective way.

[00:10:53] So. If you are engaging some with someone or you yourself are utilizing toxic positivity, what are the consequences there? Obviously? If it wasn't a negative, we wouldn't be discussing it as much. So what happens when you are chronically surrounded by toxic positivity?

[00:11:10] Whitney: So when you're using toxic positivity against yourself, a couple of things happen where you're likely gonna feel dismissed.

[00:11:17] You're gonna kind of try to shove down your emotions. You're going to suppress them. And we know the research really clearly shows us that the more you suppress emotions, the more intense they become, the more difficult they become. It also inhibits. Connection, because you're not going to go and talk to people.

[00:11:34] If you feel like you shouldn't feel what you're feeling. And that's a consequence that we see a lot when people are surrounded by toxic positivity, coming from other people, is this feeling of I'm alone. I'm the only one that's dealing with this and nobody can help me or will understand me. And I think again, we're seeing people really siloed themselves.

[00:11:55] They become. Really isolated and we don't know how to connect with each other or support each other around our pain when that is kind of like the narrative that's going on.

[00:12:07] Sadie: Yeah. What are the most common things that people use that narrative to, to navigate? I'm sure it's different for everyone. And there are different pain points that everyone navigates, but are there common things where you're like, no, like this is not effective.

[00:12:21] Like, let's feel what's going on here. And you, you don't have to be positive. Yeah,

[00:12:26] Whitney: I, I I'll lie in a lot of these in my book that I think it's, there's these like big ticket items where positivity just really doesn't fit. So grief and loss infertility pregnancy, being a parent any of these really hard things in life, you know, anything related to trauma, mental health struggles, it often doesn't feel appropriate.

[00:12:48] To try to use positivity to kind of bandaid any of those wounds.

[00:12:54] Sadie: Yeah. I think another really interesting thing to add here. I think when people first hear about this idea of toxic positivity and really creating space for those emotions, they. You get stuck on just that first step and you kind of forget that, like, okay, but once the emotional need is met, there's so much growth that can happen and you can work through it and navigate it and advocate for yourself.

[00:13:15] So can you speak to that a little bit of there's this first step of identifying, like, okay, this might not be the most effective thing to tell myself that it's going to be fine and it could be worse. But, but what happens when you do acknowledge those emotions and create space?

[00:13:29] Whitney: Yeah. So after you acknowledge those emotions, you're really like giving a label and a name to what you're experiencing, which helps it become known to you and less scary.

[00:13:39] So I know that I'm feeling anger about something, then it makes sense to me. And I can kind of think about what do I want to do with this? What tools do I have access to? And then you're going to start thinking maybe about. What action do I want to take? What do I want to explore? Who do I want to talk to about this?

[00:13:58] And you're able to relate. Get your needs met and also build up this list of like coping skills for yourself and make it easier. The next time you start to feel any of these

[00:14:10] Sadie: emotions. When I was researching for this, I heard you mentioned over validation, which is something that I don't think I've ever heard of before.

[00:14:18] And I'd love to hear your, your perspective there and kind of unpack what that. Yeah.

[00:14:23] Whitney: So I think validation has become like a really widely used thing it's very necessary, but I do think over validating something or continuing to tell yourself, like, it's fine. I don't need to worry about that. Or like it's going to be okay.

[00:14:38] Can sometimes keep us stuck where we need to start thinking about like, alright, what do I need to do about this? What action do I need to take? Is there an area in my life where I'm being. I'm not doing enough or where I need to work on something. Sometimes when people say like I'm anxious and it's okay, that I make sure that it's okay, that I'm not okay.

[00:14:59] I think it can stop people from maybe pursuing therapy or from thinking that things could get better. So validation is always like the first step. It's something I tell people to do. But from there you want to make sure that you're not telling yourself, like I'm just miserable and I ha I it's okay to be miserable.

[00:15:18] And it's. This way that there is more out there than not for you.

[00:15:23] Sadie: Yeah, no, it's interesting. And it makes me think about the CBT cycle and it's like, this is so effective from the thoughts, beliefs perspective to really effectively get your needs met. And then it's moving to the next part of the behavior and being real with yourself and being like, okay, what is effective here?

[00:15:39] And maybe in some cases that's yeah, like sitting in this emotion, creating. Taking a pause. And then in some cases it's continuing to move forward advocate for your needs, ask for help. So I'll problem solve if that's necessary. So I think that's really interesting to think about and important to remember as well.

[00:15:56] If you had to say, if there is like a lesser of two evils, toxic positivity versus pessimism, they're obviously very different, but they're kind of two folds of this idea. What are your thoughts?

[00:16:07] Whitney: So I think both of them are not great in large doses. Right. And we tend to, as a society, like to think in very black or white terms.

[00:16:18] So a lot of people will say to me, oh, if you don't want me to be positive, then you just need to be negative all the time or to be a pessimist. And I think there's this middle road where we can acknowledge. You know, what's bad, what's good. What's neutral. And we don't have to drift into either territory of like pessimism or toxic positivity.

[00:16:39] I do find throughout my work, just like anecdotally, that the people who are really pessimistic are often the people who were never. Validated or they were constantly dismissed. They were constantly told that what they're feeling was it real? And so now they've had to like find this way to sort of like over identify with it and talk about those things all the time, because no one has ever said to them, That makes sense.

[00:17:05] Why you're upset about that?

[00:17:08] Sadie: That's so interesting.

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[00:18:27] Similar to that parents that are practicing toxic positivity, I think, especially for teens, this is a big one because you're starting to get into the season of life where you aren't a hundred percent agreeing or looking up to, or getting all your problems solved by your parents.

[00:18:41] You're becoming more independent and you notice these aspects of your relationship. And if toxic positivity is something that you start to notice, it's like, okay. So like how do we move forward? So first part of that question would be like, what happens when you are in an environment where you have a parent or a guardian or a loved one who is chronically being toxically paused.

[00:19:03] Whitney: Yeah, I see this a lot because I think parents forget that like certain problems for teens feel like a really big deal. And they are very big for them. Even if the parent doesn't see it that way, you know, you're not in that stage of life. And so it's okay. As, as the teenager, as a kid to say to your parents, I knew you were trying to be helpful, but that's not really helpful for me.

[00:19:25] And even trying to teach them how they could be more helpful telling them, like, I just need to vent to you for a second. And I don't want you to try to solve the problem or to give me suggestions and almost like doing a little bit of coaching and from parents remembering. Your teenager's problems are a big deal.

[00:19:45] They're learning how to figure things out for themselves and it's okay to allow them to experience all of

[00:19:51] Sadie: that. Yeah, no, I always like to remind people. But like, obviously everyone has that universal experience of like, oh, being a teenager was really hard. It really sucked, but you haven't totally your, your brain hasn't finished developing.

[00:20:05] You're not able to fully step into that. Like logistical wise, mind reasoning, you really are feeling your emotions a lot more intensely. You haven't learned how to cope with them. I still have a lot of aspects of your life that are being decided for you. So you're not able to completely decide your community and your resources and your schedule and your support systems.

[00:20:24] So yes, these problems or challenges that you're dealing with. 30 years from now. You're like, why was I upset over this? But in the moment it's really overwhelming. And those emotions are real, they're valid and, and it can be really tough to navigate, especially if you have this person that a thing like this is fine.

[00:20:41] What are you talking about? Just get through it. It could be so much worse. So I think that's a really important reminder for sure. Similarly I think this is kind of more something that happens when you. Being toxically positive, but with your internal monologue how does the shame cycle come into play?

[00:20:59] Whitney: So what I see happening for people is that like over here, they're feeling a certain way, right? Whether it's like they're sad, whatever. And then on the other side is like what they think they should be feeling. I should be happy right now. I shouldn't be feeling this way. And the discrepancy between those two ends of the spectrum is where shame kind of comes up because.

[00:21:22] You're bullying yourself, essentially for not being able to feel the way you think you should be feeling.

[00:21:29] Sadie: Yeah, no, I think that's really interesting. Again, if shame comes up as a secondary emotion and you're navigating that you're still not validating or coping with the root primary emotion which is the same consequence of the toxic positivity, like it's the secondary layer of still not getting those needs met.

[00:21:46] Not getting validated, not feeling seen that you can move into that second part of the process and continue to move forward. I'd love to hear your thoughts on complaining because I've joked for a long time that I'm a complainer. And I haven't really thought that it's like a terrible thing because I'm like, okay, I get my, my needs met internally.

[00:22:03] I'm acknowledging when I'm feeling. I don't think I to a crazy degree, but I definitely do like to be like, oh my God, this is so annoying. So talk to me about how that can be a good thing at times.

[00:22:14] Whitney: Yeah, complaining is one of those things that people talk about it, like it's a bad habit, but everyone does it, like you're saying, and there are, there is a not helpful way to complain and there's better ways to complain.

[00:22:26] So what we see reflected in, in a lot of the research on complaining is that if you know what your goal is, you know, It's the actual problem and you know, who can help you meet that need or fix that problem, that complaining and be really useful in creating change and helping you feel heard, helping you get your needs.

[00:22:47] Met that without that, you know, I think as women we're especially taught not to complain, there's never going to be any change in the world. Nothing will get done without somebody really pointing out a problem.

[00:23:01] Sadie: No, I, I completely agree. And I'm writing a philosophy paper right now, and it's a critique of this paper about being content with imperfections.

[00:23:09] And to some extent, I agree. And then to some extent I'm like, but we're always going to be evaluating and seeing the negatives. And if we don't see the negatives, there would be no motivation to change or improve anything. And so I completely agree with you there. If you could give a piece of advice to people that are struggling with tossed toxic positivity towards themselves, whether it's like a skill or a way they can rewire a thought what would.

[00:23:32] Whitney: I think using the word and is so powerful in trying to deconstruct this. So saying I'm having this feeling, whatever the distressing thing that you're feeling is. So I am angry and then adding the word and, and there you can put in something that you're grateful for or something that you're excited about to, like, I am angry about the grade I got on this test.

[00:23:56] I'm going to study harder next time. And I'm glad I have another chance to get my grades up. Whatever it is can help you create that space where you're looking at all the sides of a

[00:24:06] Sadie: situation. I love that. And that's something I remember learning when I was in treatment, especially in family therapy, that whenever we were navigating something, it was like stop using.

[00:24:16] But we're going to say that because no matter what you're saying, no matter how well you set up this validation, as soon as you say, but the person. All of that is erased. Like, okay, what's going on there? And like, we're, we're wired to focus on the negatives. It makes sense. It's kind of, it hurts when someone's like, it's like a breakout.

[00:24:33] They're like, you are so great, but then they like dumped you. So that, that shift is huge and it's such an easy one to make. Um, Something you would recommend for people that notice that someone in their life, whether it's like a boss, a friend, a parent, a family member is being really toxically positive, and they're noticing that it's impacting their mental.

[00:24:54] Whitney: I think going back to what we were talking about with teenagers, like really trying to empower yourself, to teach people how to help you when the relationship warrants that. So with the people in your life that are close to you, sharing with them, how to be helpful for you telling them when things are not helpful.

[00:25:10] If there's people that continue to say this stuff to you, you feel like it's not worth your labor to kind of teach that. It's also okay. To stop going to them with these types of things or when they give you a toxic, positive Tivity phrase, just being like, oh, thanks so much. And changing the subject or walking away and not taking that personally or upon yourself.

[00:25:34] Sadie: Yeah, in a perfect world. Do you see people not ever being toxically positive? Do you see them that happening? And then people really advocating and demonstrating how they can get their needs met? Like what would you like to see people doing more effective? Yeah,

[00:25:51] Whitney: I think that would be the most ideal outcome, right.

[00:25:53] Because all of us like to get help and give help in different ways. And there's no manual for that. There's no way to like do it exactly right. All the time that what I'd really like to see is more people just talking about this and kind of coming together to meet.

[00:26:10] Sadie: Yeah. And I think that's so interesting because again, it's, it's the audience, it's the setting.

[00:26:14] Like there's been times where people have been like, this is just a season of life and it could be so much worse and I'm like, you're so right. And that's what I need to hear. And then there's other times where I'm like, are you kidding me? Like this is not helpful. So it's really, it's different. And you do have to advocate for your needs.

[00:26:32] Showcase what, what you're hoping to receive. And I think that's so true with friendships, romantic relationships, like parent relationships. It's huge while I know that so many teens are going to find this so helpful and just learn about this this pattern that so many people are experiencing, but haven't been able to identify or know how to solve.

[00:26:49] So I'm so glad we got to do that. Thank

[00:26:52] Whitney: you so much for

[00:26:53] Sadie: having me. Of course. Where can people get your book follow along with you and continue to consume your con. I can

[00:27:00] Whitney: find me on social media, Instagram ad sit with wit and you can get my book toxic positivity, anywhere books are

[00:27:08] Sadie: sold. Awesome.

[00:27:10] To recap this week's episode, Whitney and I discussed her clinical experience, how she started observing toxic positivity, both in her practice and community. What exactly toxic positivity is how it shows up in both ourselves and our relationships.

[00:27:23] Negative impacts of invalidation situations. You shouldn't be positive. What is over validation and the benefits of complaining.

[00:27:30] This interview is jam packed with value. If you enjoyed it as much as I did make sure to share with a friend or family member. And if you share on social media tag me at, at cheaper assisted podcasts and I'll make sure to repost and give you a little shout out.

[00:27:41] So with that, I will see you next week.

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