25. Gaining Confidence, Navigating Social Media in a Healthy Way, Maintaining Productivity in Quarantine, and the Importance of Vulnerability! feat. the Leeza Rants Podcast

May 1

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Leeza (from The Leeza Rants Podcast) and I cover EVERYTHING in this episode. From our own experiences with anxiety, confidence, social media, productivity and self care in quarantine, the importance of having a therapist/someone to talk to, all things podcasting, and vulnerability, we cover it ALL!

Book mentioned by Leeza in today's episode: You Can Heal Yourself by Louise Hay (https://www.amazon.com/You-Can-Heal-Your-Life/dp/0937611018)

About She Persisted (formerly Nevertheless, She Persisted)

After a year and a half of intensive treatment for severe depression and anxiety, 18-year-old Sadie recounts her journey by interviewing family members, professionals, and fellow teens to offer self-improvement tips, DBT education, and personal experiences. She Persisted is the reminder that someone else has been there too and your inspiration to live your life worth living.

a note: this is an automated transcription so please ignore any accidental misspellings!

Sadie: Welcome back to another episode of Nevertheless, She Persisted--your how-to guide, happy place, and support system for navigating the ups and downs of life. Please share today's episode with your friends and family members and leave a review on Apple podcast. And as always, I'm not a licensed therapist, just a teenage girl hoping to help. Enjoy!

Hi guys. This week I'm here with Leeza from The Leeza Rants Podcast.

Leeza: Hi.

Sadie: Would you introduce yourself for my listeners? Tell them a little bit about yourself, a little bit about your podcast, all of that.

Leeza: Yeah, of course. Hi everyone. I'm Leeza. I'm 25 years old and I'm the host of The Leeza Rants Podcast and I'm just so happy to be here.

Um, me and Sadie decided to collab and I just thought that, um, our, both our podcasts had a lot of similar topics, but I just thought it'd be fun to have like an open conversation. From my perspective being 25 your perspective being 16 and I saw it would be really fun.

Sadie: Yeah. So why did you decide to start a podcast and kind of share your life and your growth as you're going through it with an audience?

Leeza: Yeah. Um, so my podcast is called Leeza Rants and it's kind of funny cause I've always been known on just just for going on rants all the time, just like to talk, especially when there's a topic that I'm really passionate about and I felt like when I was. You know, adulting and kind of just getting older.

There was just so much happening and I just felt really passionate to share different stories and messages about just relatable topics that I feel like a lot of people my age, um, are going through.

Sadie: Yeah.

Leeza: The main inspiration.

Sadie: Yeah. Um, and do you think this is like helped you grow? As you're talking to people and telling them as you're growing, as you're going through, or does it kind of make it more scary or more anxiety provoking because people are listening who are waiting to hear how you're evolving and if you're continuing to push yourself to grow or just staying the same?

Leeza: Yeah. Um, it's funny because sometimes I am super vulnerable in my podcasts and I just, I think I just get in the zone and I'll be in here and just with my microphone and I'll just start talking. But I think that is actually a, an amazing thing. I'm not really thinking about who's going to listen. It's kind of like that release for myself and I've been able to get a lot of great responses and hearing people.

You don't feel like they really relate to what I'm saying. And I think that even in your podcast, you're still vulnerable as well. And I think vulnerability is just like so important because it helps people feel like they're not alone. So I think it's great.

Sadie: Yeah, and I think that was like such a big thing for me as I was receiving treatment and help for my depression, anxiety, like every single Friday and Wednesday, we'd do like vulnerability groups and we would do these like exercises or tell stories just to get closer to each other.

And I found over time that that connection that I had with other people in my relationship with my family, with my friends, like all of that was built on vulnerability and for so long, especially when I was struggling so much, taking that step to tell someone that I wasn't okay or that I needed help or that I even just cared about them like that they mattered to me.

I was so scared because I thought that would be a weakness or I thought that. They would use that against me. Um, or that they wouldn't want to hear that from me. And it's, I really found that if I don't share myself, if I don't let people know how much they matter to me and tell them about what I'm going through, or just me as a person, then I never have that connection because all of those connections that I have and that I'm building, they're all built on vulnerability.

So I completely agree that that's so important from that perspective. Um,

Leeza: and I just want to say too, like I just feel like I just love your podcast and just what you're doing and I feel like you're so self-aware.

Sadie: Thank you.

Leeza: You're really self aware and I think it's so awesome to hear your perspective.

And I wish that I would have had something to listen to, like your podcast when I was your age, just because hearing people's honest opinions, especially going through that time in your life, it's really hard. And I think. Yeah. Just what you're doing is awesome,

Sadie: so thank you. Yeah. So you mentioned when we were talking that you'd experienced some anxiety, like especially around college.

What was your experience with that, your story, all of that?

Leeza: Yeah. Um, so I was never actually diagnosed with anxiety, but I think, um, I guess I would like to call it like. Uh, circumstantial anxiety because only kind of happened at this one point in my life. Um, so I had graduated high school. Obviously, high school is like a really hard time.

Yeah. It was crazy. By the time I was a senior in high school, I really felt like, Oh my God, I found my tribe. Like everything was just perfect at the end of high school. Right? And then all of a sudden it was like, Oh my God, I have to leave all my friends. I'm going out of state to college. And I was, I had so much anxiety about leaving and leaving home for the first time and just very unsure about everything.

And. It actually kind of manifested into physical anxiety symptoms. Um, just like a lump in my throat, heart palpitations. I just felt sick all the time. This summer I just wanted to stay home, not leave the house, um, not eat. It was really affecting me physically. And I remember going to a lot of doctors and they're like, you're fine.

You're fine. You know? And I just couldn't really. I figured out what was going on. I think because I graduated high school in 2012 and I feel like that was right before anxiety really became more well known. Yeah. And um, I was seeing all these doctors, but they weren't actually telling me, okay, maybe this is, it's coming from your mind.

Maybe you're actually dealing with a lot of stress. They weren't, they weren't telling me these things. And so I was able to, fortunately, you know. Cope with it, with the help of my mom and just a lot of like spiritual practices, meditation. But once I got to college, it kind of weaned off when I was able to get more comfortable.

So. You know, I haven't had diagnosed anxiety, but I do know how debilitating it can be and I understand experience how hard it is to live with.

Sadie: Yeah, and I want to touch on that also, like how you say you haven't had diagnosed anxiety, but you obviously experienced it like that was really difficult for you.

And I feel like that's such a gap that people feel like they need the label, they need the doctor to say, this is what you're experiencing and everyone will experience anxiety at some point. Everyone experiences like a down day or a low, and it's so versatile. We're all connected because we feel these highs, we feel these lows, and you don't need a label.

You don't need a name for it. You don't need that prescription just to prove that you're not doing well because it's all subjective. And so that's something that I try to do, which is offer people support. Because even if it's just a little anxiety about a presentation or like being at home, like this skills that people like me and my very lowest points are using too.

Like, calm down from a panic attack when you're anxious about going outside because of the Corona virus. Same skills are applicable. Same things can be helpful because the emotion is the same across everyone. So I think that's super important.

Um, so you mentioned like spiritual practices, um, getting support from your mom. How were you coping? What did you find that was helpful? What do you still do now to maintain that calm and decreased anxiety?

Leeza: Yeah. Um, I definitely think that. I really like to, and I know this doesn't work for everyone, but this is what worked for me. But I did a lot of meditation and self reflection for me.

I journal like crazy. I really need to write out what I'm feeling, get it out. But actually, now that I've gotten older, um, I, I started now seeing a spiritual coach or even, you know. A therapist, whatever works for you. But I see a spiritual coach and I talk to her every week. I'm going to talk to her tonight, and she really helps me just process any emotions I'm feeling, anything I'm dealing with, and that's honestly the best thing that's ever, that I've ever done for myself and my entire life.

And I feel so much happier now. And just being able to really have that person to go to who's not biased, not someone in my life, because I felt like I was unloading a lot on my mom a lot and just, and I just felt like now that I'm talking to someone, I've built that relationship, I really trust her and it's just been like a complete 180 of just dealing with my life, feeling happier, more positive emotions.

And. Yeah, so that's been a game changer. If you really feel like you need help, I mean, I know you're an advocate for this as well, just like talking to someone by myself, I just try to cope by meditating, journaling, just trying to do anything that will relax me, just self care. So

Sadie: yeah, I think that's really cool how you mentioned the journaling, because when I think of podcasts, it's kind of like an audio journal, like you're recording your emotions and your feelings at like a certain point of time. So that's, I think that's really cool that you took this practice that you love, which is journaling, and you brought it to a way you can share it with an audience in a way. You can still be vulnerable and help other people at the same time.

So I think that's really awesome.

Leeza: You know, it used to be a blog and I just felt like that wasn't the right medium for me. And then I discovered podcasting. I was like, Oh, this is great. It's so much easier for me. Everything just flows out and yeah, like you said, it definitely connects with journaling, just getting that vulnerability out and yeah.

Sadie: Yeah, and I completely agree. Having that one person to talk to. I know like. There's something so freeing about having someone, again, that's completely impartial. You can just go in, you can meet with them and you can tell them whatever you want. You can let go of whatever you're feeling. And then after that hour is up, like you can leave it there.

You don't have to take it with you and you don't have to worry about them going around and telling someone else and you can just leave it there and get that support from someone that's not so like in your life. And they also like, I feel like my therapist know me better than anyone else because I lean on them for that support.

And it's crazy because it's not someone you see everyone every day, like they don't live with me. They're not like my close friends. And yet they know me so well because they see like that vulnerability and stuff. So I think that's such an interesting dynamic and relationship for sure. Yeah,

Leeza: for sure.

Sadie: Um, so I really like listening to your episodes about confidence and your journey of like finding it. And so I was wondering what tips do you have for listeners trying to become more confident or find that confidence in their selves?

Leeza: So this is a great question because when I was listening to your podcasts, um, I forget which episode it was, but you were touching upon like, this is why I say you were self, you're so self aware because you were tapping into the fact that you had.

Um, maybe like unworthiness feelings about love and being loved, and that is literally my experience, um, to a T. Um, and that's, that's what I've been kind of working through with my spiritual coach. And I think for me, um, I placed a lot of my value and worthiness upon my physical appearance and it was just hard going through high school and college.

I felt like there was a lot of like. Myself included, just vain people around me. And especially when I was going to college, that's when Instagram really picked up and um, all of a sudden it was like, Oh my God, how many followers do you have? How many likes do you have? And I just never felt good enough. I never felt pretty enough.

I just didn't feel. You know, I was, I wanted to date so badly and I just couldn't find a guy that really liked me and just a lot of things that I dealt with. And I think that one of my lowest points was in college and just feeling so I would go out with my friends and I would come home and I would cry cause I was just like, Oh my God, I just don't feel confident.

I don't feel attractive. You know, it was just a lot. And I finally was like, okay, I need to make a change. And. I started really just doing a lot of research. Um, there's this woman, she's passed away now, but her name is Louise Hay's. She has a lot of books about, um, one of the best books is called You Can Heal Your Life.

I think even teenagers can really read this book. It's really easy to read, but she does this thing called mirror work. And it's basically when you want to look in the mirror and just repeat positive affirmations to yourself. And because I'm a huge believer in. The way that you think about yourself is the way that other people see you.

Um, I know this is getting a little spiritual and

Sadie: yeah,

Leeza: yeah. But I think it's really true, and I was able to really come into this transformation of. Being like, "okay, Leeza, you're beautiful. You're a boss, you're amazing." And the more I started to believe it, my people around me were like, Oh wow, you look amazing.

Like I was getting more compliments. I kid you not Sadie, it was so strange. Like the more I started to love myself and think that I was beautiful, other people, I was getting more attention from guys. Not that that matters, but you know, it was just like. Internally I was able to change, and then externally everything changed for me.

And so that's why I'm a huge, I love to push on my podcast, especially just like you really have to do the work with yourself, working with the therapist to really uncover those inner blocks that you have. Because I swear, once you get rid of that unworthiness about love, your life will completely change, and I've seen it firsthand.

Sadie: Yeah, that's amazing. I completely agree. Like you can't help other people. You cannot. Like support someone else until you really love yourself and you care about yourself. And that for me is like a constant journey of continuing to choose to like be kind to myself and love myself and tell myself I deserve to be loved.

Like the people around me want to be around me, like I deserve that. Um. And so I totally agree that it's so important to focus on yourself first and things around you will change the result. As soon as I started really like just practicing like self compassion and prioritizing me and like my basic needs, my connections were stronger.

I was having better relationships with people. So it's crazy how those two are interconnected.

Leeza: That's awesome. And you're really lucky too. Cause like I keep saying this, but you really know yourself. And if I knew these things when I was, I feel like I would have a way better head start on everything. So it's really good that you're discovering these things now, even though it's hard, even though you're.

Dealing with depression, anxiety. Um, just know that the path you're on I think is really awesome.

Sadie: Thank you. I'm, I hope so. And when I do think about like going through all that and how much pain, like I felt like I was in, like, it makes sense why I would have gone through that so that I can help other people.

Um, and there were so many things that went, right. So many moments where I look back and I'm like, I'm so lucky to have gotten to meet these people and work with these people that make sense because I can help other people. And yeah, when I think about like. But I'm very in touch with my feelings and my emotions.

It's so different from how I used to be. I was so uncomfortable feeling sad or even happy, like I would just be completely apathetic and the thought of thinking about what emotions I was feeling and what thoughts I was having was so overwhelming and it definitely didn't come without a lot of work.

Like I was in intensive treatment for a year and a half, and that was like. Being away from my family day after day, like tons of therapy and like group therapy every day, like intensive work on myself. And now like I do feel like I have a better understanding of myself, but it's always changing and it's always evolving.

Like I felt like I completely understood myself when I was in Boston or when I was at boarding school, Montana. And then every time you move your locations, your social dynamics change. You have to come back to understanding what your emotions are. In those situations, what your thoughts are, how your beliefs are changing and continuing to evolve with that.

So it's definitely a continuous say, you can't just stop after a certain amount of time. Like, okay, I've grown, like I'm at this place where I understand what I'm going through. It's, it's definitely, um, ongoing for sure.

Leeza: Yup. A hundred percent.

Sadie: Um, so you mentioned social media. How do you navigate that in a healthy way?

Especially, I mean, now I noticed like myself, social media, something I feel more drawn towards. Like I, there's just more time. Like how are you navigating that to keep your mental health in a good spot? Maintain confidence, all of that.

Leeza: Yeah. Um, in general, I really, so I'm a person, I love Instagram, but. Um, you have to take it with a grain of salt because you can really, I notice myself, I start to, um, have a lot of.

Validating, like I need a lot of validation through social media. Like those behaviors. Like I'll take a picture and I'm like, Oh, I love this picture, this big picture. Better get like 200 likes. Like all this stuff. And it's, it's really ridiculous when I say it out loud because it's like, why do I care? But you know, it's just like, I feel like our generation is like, we're just so conditioned to really care about just like what our peers are thinking about us, how much clout we're getting on the internet.

And I've really had to, um, I remember like a couple of years ago, I would get really upset about like, Oh my God, my birthday party picture. It didn't get enough likes. And like, Oh my God, it's, it's insane. And I think that I was, I really had to, you know, realize like, okay, social media is just a vehicle and it just, it came more with just me like working on my confidence and being more authentic, and I was, I just made a decision one day I'm like, I'm going to post whatever I want. I don't care what people have to say about me. I don't care how many likes I get. You know, Instagram is supposed to be a creative outlet and it's not really supposed to be this thing where you just kind of like show off and want to be, and I think it's hard because it is such a highlight reel.

Everyone's posting the best parts of their lives, their Instastory is the coolest part of their day. And I think just me constantly reminding myself that it's like, okay, this girl, you know, she posts pictures and bikinis everyday, but she, you don't know she's going through behind the scenes. Um, so again, just bringing breath, sorry, bringing back gratitude.

I was just like, okay, wait, Leeza. Like, no, you, you have an amazing life and you don't have to compare it to these girls that you see on Instagram. And just realizing like half of that stuff isn't even real. There's so much face tune and Photoshop. So just loving my body, loving myself, being authentic is that's the best way that I can navigate.

Um, social media and even during this quarantine time, especially. I've just been on my phone a lot. I don't know about you,

Sadie: but definitely, definitely

Leeza: there's nothing to do. And I see people, you know, doing these live workouts and, um. They're still like getting up and doing all this stuff, and sometimes I'm just like, I just want to lay in bed.

Sadie: Yeah, totally.

Leeza: For me, I was like, Leeza, there's nothing wrong with that. You don't need to be rising and grinding like everyone else and doing so much hard work. Like maybe this quarantine time for you is to just relax and be in pajamas. Um, so it's just about being kind to yourself.

Sadie: Yeah, I totally agree.

And I think for me with social media, I've had such a kind of odd, unique relationship with it because my parents, when I was at home, when I was like in younger and a middle school, the first punishment was always the phone. Like they, they would be like, ah, you didn't do the dishes? No phone. Or like you didn't get up on time.

No phone. Like that was always their go to. So I would go like months without a phone. Um. So I like didn't have social media for long periods of time. And then once my mental health started deteriorating, I would be like in the hospital for weeks, I would be like on the East coast, like getting treatment so I wouldn't even have my phone.

So I think that kind of, it was an interesting way to have a relationship with social media because I would go these really long periods of time without. Any like connection or like ability on social media. And then when it would be reintroduced, it would be like my parents being like, let's try like 30 minutes a day first.

Like, we don't want her to get overwhelmed. And I was like, guys, I can handle this. Like, I know how to do it. Like I is fine. Like, and um, therapist would be like, she's got to figure it out for herself. Like, you won't always be here. Um. And so it's definitely very interesting. Like I for lent, like I always like try and give something up.

Normally it doesn't last at all, like three days of like no carbs and I'm like, it's done. Like, but this time I did, um, social media and I did stick with it. I gave up like all my personal accounts and so that was really interesting. It's almost over this next weekend, but it's going to be really, I'm definitely going to have to pay attention to re-introducing one at a time.

What brings up those negative thoughts of, Oh, they're doing things that are more fun than me, or they are prettier. They are being so much more productive and kind of keeping that in check and kind of being like, okay, maybe I'll do like one day a week without Instagram because that has like the most detrimental effects to my mental health, or whatever that might be.

So that's something I definitely think is helpful. Just having that time without social media. To get that clarity, but the other thing is you have to be the one to decide to do that. Like when my parents would be like, no phone, I'd be like, no, like I'm still going to go on social media. I'm like, other people's phones are like on my computer, like so you definitely have to be the one to initiate that and want to learn from that experience.

I think that goes for a lot of things in life.

Leeza: Yeah, definitely. And I think another good tip is to, um, just kind of really monitor who you're following, like a follower sweep like a couple of weeks back. And I was just like, unfollow, unfollow. She makes me feel bad. And if you want to fall people who you feel inspired by, who you feel like are relatable and make you feel happy when you see their content, you don't want to look at people who make you feel bad about yourself.

Sadie: Yeah. And I know that was something for me to like. The biggest thing for me, social media is like people that I used to like date, like seeing that just makes me feel awful. Or if they're dating someone new and I'm like, Oh, this is like awful for me. So like a couple months ago I was like. Why am I even following them?

Like, this is just, there's no way this will end well. So like taking them off like my account was like really difficult cause like, well then I don't know, like what's happening. Like I like having that ability to kind of know what's going on in their life. But it didn't help me in any way. Like I would see photos of them, like their new girlfriend or whatever, and I'm like, this sucks.

Like I would just feel awful or be like, well, I'm better like, and so I think that was like a really big thing for me was be like, okay, I'm blocking them. I know there's no way this is going to end well, even though it was difficult. I think that's been something that has been good for sure. Yeah,

Leeza: the mute and the block buttons!

Sadie: I completely agree and I was just thinking about like, what's best for your mental health? Like maybe other people might be like, wait, why aren't you like being followed? Or like, why don't you talk to this person? But really prioritizing what makes you feel the best. What helps you grow as a person and find that happiness.

Leeza: Yeah. Yeah. That is the number one.

Sadie: Yeah, definitely. Um, so I feel like a lot of teens and college students are having to kind of take school and now their whole lives into their own hands. They don't have this bell to get up for and make it to school on time or call students don't have their classes to go to where their dorm environment, all of that kind of stuff.

So I know you talk a lot about maintaining like. Or like navigating your life and having that in your own hands and that responsibility. So what advice do you have for creating balance and navigating that in a way that allows you to maintain your mental health?

Leeza: Yeah. Um, so balance is huge. And even one thing I've heard that you talked about on your podcast for me is having a routine.

So. Routines for me. And that's why I think quarantine has been hard, even on a lot of people's mental, mental health.

Sadie: Absolutely.

Leeza: Our routine is completely gone. Um, but like for me, I always make sure to have a balance of my responsibilities, like things that I have to do and then bouncing it off with things that I genuinely love to do and enjoy and things for myself.

That'll make me happy. So, you know, before quarantine, I had this great routine. Um, you know, I take like spin classes like three times a week. I'm, I love working out. It's such a great release for me. Um, haven't been doing that much during.

Sadie: Yeah, I completely agree.

Leeza: Um, I love working out. I love, um. Watching awful reality TV shows on Bravo: Real Housewives, like just getting my work done, doing my podcast, doing a little TikTok tutorial, like just making sure I have that healthy balance of everything in my day.

And honestly, I think that is what, like I really thrive when I have a routine and I get everything I need to do, done on my to do list. I get to indulge in my favorite foods and hang out with. Again, the balance of responsibility and self care.

Sadie: So yeah, I totally agree. And the other thing that's been so helpful to me during this time is kind of just letting go at the end of the night when there was the school schedule or like having to be like at work at a certain time the next day and being there.

I don't know. No, if hours in the day to get all these things done. Now with just having less deadlines and more flexibility with the schedule, I can put things away at night and not be worried, Oh, I didn't get that done. I can just let it go and be like, I need to go to sleep and I need to have some time for me for self care, for my mental health.

And that's totally fine. That's okay. And it'll still be there tomorrow. So I think that's been one of the greatest parts about the whole quarantine and navigating schedules that you can truly let things go and not have to worry about. Facing the major consequences the next day and obviously that you shouldn't be doing your where you should be avoiding everything.

But if something's due on Friday, you don't have 12 hours of work or school or whatever it is, and only two hours to finish it. You have a lot more flexibility so you can choose what works best for you and your mental health and completing everything you have to get done.

Leeza: Yeah, exactly. Just like getting yourself on like a schedule of being like, okay, today is my day.

My spiritual coach told me she was like, take that one day a week to dislike, be lazy, like not me. Thing and I just think that's really important to do.

Sadie: I totally agree. I've noticed like there's one day every single week where I take like three naps in one day and it's like the craziest thing. I'm just so tired.

Like I ended up sleeping in and then I'm like taking a nap on the couch in the middle of the day and I'm like, what is happening? But for some reason, just having that day where it is. Chill and I can just do things at my own pace. It's super nice and it's been, it's definitely been good for my mental health for sure.

Leeza: Yeah, and I think you need to allow yourself to do that. Again, just going back to social media with quarantine for me, sometimes. I found myself beating myself up because I wasn't doing these workouts and just waking up early and just being more productive with my time. I think a lot of people I saw, I saw on Twitter a lot, people saying like, this is the perfect time to start a business and you know, like all this stuff, and I'm like.

And that's not everyone, you

Sadie: know, it's not realistic

Leeza: and that's not a bad thing.

Sadie: Yeah, it's definitely a nice break. And it's you time to work on yourself. And even if it's been like, what, three, four weeks now, and you don't see some major marker of change in your mental health or in like your physical fitness.

I know for me, when I was in treatment for literally a year and a half working on myself, 24/7 right. Like months would go by and I'd be like, is anything changing? Like I don't understand what's going on. Like I don't see a difference. I feel the exact same. And so sometimes change is two steps forward, one step backwards or one step forward.

Two steps backwards. And it's hard to see. And when you really do take a step back, sometimes it can be easier to see that things are changing, but it's okay if you don't think things are, you don't have a new business, you don't have like. A completely different, like you're not eating super healthy, all that kind of stuff.

So, or you're not training for a new marathon or something like that. So I definitely think it's okay if you don't feel like you see some dramatic, crazy change because sometimes change takes time. It's really tiny and it still has an impact that's positive on your life.

Leeza: Yeah. It takes a lot of time and patience is key, you know, and just being patient, not only with your circumstance, but with yourself.

So I

Sadie: love that. I completely agree. Um, well yeah, thank you so much for talking to me and coming on and just talking about confidence and stuff. Love and anxiety and all of that. I feel like we had a really good conversation, so I really appreciate that.

Leeza: Yeah, I got into it. I loved this. It was awesome.

Sadie: Yeah, me too.

Um, so yeah, listeners, be sure to head over to The Leeza Rants Podcast to listen to the collab we did on her show. Um, where I talk a little bit more about my story. We talk about all of that kind of stuff. We dive into it, so yeah, be sure to listen to that and check that out. I'll link it in the description.

So yeah, thank you for coming on again. Um, any last parting advice for listeners?

Leeza: Yeah, so I assume that your listeners are, you know, your age in their teenage years, and I just really want to encourage anyone listening that, you know, if you're going through a hard time struggling with mental health and just the, the process of growing up, um, to just really be kind to yourself and.

You know, just not really care what people think. I wish someone told me like none of these opinions matter.

Sadie: Yeah.

Leeza: If like high school is such a hard time, even college is kind of hard too. Just the whole process of growing from a child to an adult is, it's a tough one and I'm glad people have podcasts like ours to listen to you and help support them, but I just want people to know out there, you know, it does get better.

You know, you're always growing, you're always evolving. In. Just be your most authentic, happy self and just do whatever you need to do for your happiness and mental health.

Sadie: Awesome. Well, perfect. Um, yeah, everyone had over to listen to our collab on Leeza's show and thank you for listening.

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